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Fiendz
11-09-2007, 01:58 AM
Okay, you guys know how supposedly nostradomas was predicting stuff? People say that we should try to avoid this stuff from happening it. Now my question is if it is a prediction or a prophecy wouldn't it happen no matter what? Anyone every read Oedipus? he tried to avoid his fate but in the end it happened he killed his father and married his mother.
i dont believe in future prediction ... id would have to say that everything that he said and ever came true would have to comply with the effects of coincidental events ... if anyone knew the future they would be ruling this planet
kenshi_92888
11-09-2007, 04:49 AM
Nostradamos did predict future events, but he didn't foresee the future events, so in a way, it is possible to avoid a prediction I guess. Wouldn't really categorize it as a prophecy though.
Nostradamus wrote some mombo jombo after he looked into a big cup of water.. then some 400-500 years later, someone begins looking at all major events and scrutinizing his writings for something that has any likeness of it..
IMHO, doing that, you can make the Cat with a Hat or whatever books look like they are brilliant psychic works..
as for if he actually saw the future, I am sceptical, and do not really care much..
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As for the actual topic heh, suppose you could see the future, it is an interesting paradox, and it really depends on what defines time, the greater mechanics of it. In theory, a true prediction briefly moves you across the fifth dimensional plane, because now you have new possibilities..
.Turbo
11-09-2007, 07:30 AM
it's bullshit imo.
i don't believe in anything like that.
bullshit or not, it is interesting in theory..
.Turbo
11-09-2007, 07:58 AM
in theory yes, but so is that adam and eve sheiße
Fiendz
11-09-2007, 11:35 AM
What about destiny do you think that destiny woud be tied in to all of this. Kinda like hitler was his destiny set to intertwine with the whole worlds? do u think we all have a set path whether u think ur changing it or not?
Destiny is a depressing concept..
Fiendz
11-10-2007, 09:08 PM
why so?
Well, sit on your ass all your life, and you will become president if your destined to be that..
Work your ass off your entire life, and die because you slipped in a rat if thats your destiny..
Thats effing depressing, that means that everyone might aswell sit on their asses forever and thing will just come to them.
hmmm .. destiny .... well i dont believe in the definition of destiny but i do believe that if god made me what i am then he must know what i am going to be doing, i am the master of my decision though he knows it before i decide it ... pretty complicated game
two11
11-11-2007, 06:51 PM
um sorry, but ive never even heard of any of that :huh:
hmmm .. destiny .... well i dont believe in the definition of destiny but i do believe that if god made me what i am then he must know what i am going to be doing, i am the master of my decision though he knows it before i decide it ... pretty complicated game[/b]
Welcome to the fourth dimension my friend :P
Theoretically, gods can exist on a so called all knowing plane according to scientific theory, the fourth dimension. The fourth dimension, is according to theory, a plane where all time is spread out to a single point if I remember correctly. So if creatures could exist on a fourth-dimensional plane, then to our comprehension, they must be all knowing. But theres still a long way to the farthest theoretical dimension we are capable of dreaming up, the tenth.
Science is fun!
FriendlyGuy
11-12-2007, 09:12 PM
Here's an intersting historical concept:
The puritans/calvinists believed that God was omnipotent (all-knowing) which means he would have to know the future. This in turn would logically conclude with the idea of believing in fate. But the Puritans didn't believe this. They thought that having good luck (money/social standing/good job . . .) means that you are a member of "The Elect", and elite group of people who recieves God's providence. But the way to show that you are "The Elect" was through hard work, this meant the hard work, was a way of showing God's Providence.
In this way, the puritans believed in both fate, and like not "sitting on your ass", kind of interesting.
As for oedipus and nostradamus, that is just complete bullshit. If you right incredibly vague statements, of course someone can draw parrallels to them in retrospect, after a significant event has already happenned.
The whole idea of seeing into the future, and time travel is intersting and crazy, like the idea of traveling back in time and killing your grandpa before you father was concieved .. .
Charlie12
11-12-2007, 10:17 PM
my opinion is that he didn't technically "predict", prediction is knowing without knowing, sounds weird but its basically knowing whats going to happen without thinking about it, i believe that he thought deeply about things and not "predicted" but hypothesized what was going to happen.
Here's an intersting historical concept:
The puritans/calvinists believed that God was omnipotent (all-knowing) which means he would have to know the future. This in turn would logically conclude with the idea of believing in fate. But the Puritans didn't believe this. They thought that having good luck (money/social standing/good job . . .) means that you are a member of "The Elect", and elite group of people who recieves God's providence. But the way to show that you are "The Elect" was through hard work, this meant the hard work, was a way of showing God's Providence.
In this way, the puritans believed in both fate, and like not "sitting on your ass", kind of interesting.
As for oedipus and nostradamus, that is just complete bullshit. If you right incredibly vague statements, of course someone can draw parrallels to them in retrospect, after a significant event has already happenned.
The whole idea of seeing into the future, and time travel is intersting and crazy, like the idea of traveling back in time and killing your grandpa before you father was concieved .. .[/b]
Fate is really simplyfiyng the concept of omnipotency.. What if the omnipotent is on a plane where they can see all possible endings of all the possible universes? Tenth dimensional creatures..
Fiendz
11-13-2007, 11:46 AM
What are this dimesnions?
Google tenth dimension..
Theres a nice explanation of the theoretical somewhere..
faust.
11-17-2007, 09:40 AM
a prediction is an educated guess
and a prophecy is a myth
neither are set in stone
FriendlyGuy
11-17-2007, 03:45 PM
he speaks sooth
Plan-B
12-15-2007, 04:36 AM
The whole idea of seeing into the future, and time travel is intersting and crazy, like the idea of traveling back in time and killing your grandpa before you father was concieved .. .[/b]
wouldn't it be impossible 2 kill ur grandpa, coz the moment you kill him, you dont exist, and how could you travel back in time 2 kill ur grandpa if u didn't exist in the first place........it's a wierd cycle perhaps wrong........maybe fate is a true thing, but it's wierd, we can only truly understand once we experience it ourselves, which i dont......lol
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