Reverse Racism?

[FriendlyGuy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9dXGJ2rYdA

very interesting, please discuss.

i will post up my feelings after this gets a few responses

[Plan-B]

is that video made by some organization, commitieee, or just by that guy??

[Keeeeee]

nice jacket

[FriendlyGuy]

wtf, most useless comments ever

[Chris]

Posting that the posts are useless is useless.
Then again, this post, saying that your post saying the posts are useless is useless..

Uselessness..

[bbob]

Just the expression of reverse racism is an example of just that..

Racism is racism, nomatter who is insulted.

I will prolly reply again after watching the vid :P

[FriendlyGuy]

okay, good, ,really i posted this for an intelligent person like you or rad to respond, so okay :)

btw, chris, lol. you can't stop the uselessness

[Plan-B]

umm, could u anwser my question please... I'm just wondering still. Unless, you were meaning that my question was useless, then lol, dw about it then.

[vanLeent]

Think it's just the guy.

Although he does make a point and he supports it with valid arguments... I still think he's a retard.
He's telling us that we shoulnd't let the Islam control us and that we should make up a mind of our own and just a few second later he's ordering us to despise and resent everything that islam stands for... bit hypocrit (no, I don't know how to spell that word properly...) if you ask me.
About the beating of women and such... you can't really qualify that as 'wrong'. I'm not saying that we should beat up women, I'm just saying that our western society gave us moral standards that are completely different from what the Islamic society brought them.

bleh, I'm done for now... I'd be glad if someone wanted to discus with me on this point because I've got alot more to tell.

[bbob]

This guy has no idea what racism means, his arguments loses strength.

Personally, I think that we should just quit any kind of special treatment bullshit, quit looking at people as groups. Don't talk about people as black blue or white, or anything else for that matter. If someone commits a crime, jail the bastard, or if he do not have a citizenship, send him the fuck home. It is not that complicated, really.

It just seems that leftists are eager to protect any criminal if that person belongs to a certain group. Screw the victims, right? I am not talking about islam in specific here, but everyone really. Islam just leaves a lot of examples to mention.

For example, in the muhammed drawing crisis in Denmark. We had imams standing up, basicly saying that it was every real muslims finest duty to kill the cartoonist who did the (hillarious) drawing with muhammend with the bomb in the turban. They were not jailed for death threats, because they have a special book as an excuse for beeing petulant pugnacious fucks, not that all of them are, but shit. Maybe if some redheads were beeing loud, violent idiots, every redhead in denmark could avoid jailtime if they blamed the crime on their fucking hair.


This tires me, a lot.

[Kina]

Well, I do agree with him on some points, although I've got no idea of what it's really like over in Europe. This may be my American pigheadedness, but I don't think your religion should be an automatic pardon of a crime. I don't care if their morals are different or how they are raised, when you're in a country with set laws, you follow those laws. Beating women and attempting murder should land you a nice seat in jail, or even prison. I don't care if they're white, black, Muslim, Wiccan, purple, brown or Hindu, you don't skirt around the law because of the way you're raised. If this is the version of respect we're giving, it needs to re-invented. Besides, you should respect the person, not the group.

[Chris]

Delete this post. Wrong topic...

[FriendlyGuy]

I believe that when people come to a country, they need to follow the laws and rules of that country. It's ridiculous to think that your culture or beliefs over-ride a country's whole legal system, because you need special treatment for being diverse. I hate the idea that minorities hold sway, and they need to be treated different, because they are a minority. Just integrate into public society, do whatever the fuck you want privately.

Also about those cartoons, i love how in a random place in Saudi Arabia they find a danish flag to burn, where do they get these flags to burn from?

[Fiendz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dnq0bU8dxhM...feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dnq0bU8dxhM&feature=related)
This guy is funny

[Plan-B]

But that guy is like implying that all muslims/islams are bad. Look, their religion have like a billion people if i'm not wrong. Its only a small number i believe, who act like this. We've had many islam speakers at out skool, explaining what really is going on. They say, that its only that small number, who are mentally crazy, and act like this. They feel bad that their own people act like that. But their actions are so big, that it makes it look like the whole population is bad. They are happy with the laws set in thier region, they live in, and live by it like everyone else. They just have traditional customs, they follow by, which to some of us are different, and maybe strange.

Yes i believe they shouldn't get extra treament. But it's only a small number asking for that, not the whole population. So just don't judge all of them wrongly.

[bbob]

No, dont judge them all, judge those who feel too special for the law..

Dont treat them as a group, treat them as individuals.

[leteunet dan]

i think this guy is right in some ways but majorly wrong in other ways. I mean he makes it seem like they go after any old person. Like when he was talking about them killing jews, i do not condem this but the reason they hate jews is because europe decided to give the jewish people somewhere to live after WWII and took the islamics holy land away. And he expresses thought that he hate there culture says they jsut rape little girls and beat there wives when they dont they just have a very traditional society

[FriendlyGuy]

There was alot of exaggeration of truth. He started off believable and then he started stretching it till he was almost saying that all girls are genitally mutated and all women are married in polygamous relationships to old mullahs.

[Fiendz]

I'm sorry but America needs to get off Israel nuts seriously, They don't help us in anyways, with oil or anything. I'm not saying we shouldn't support them but whenever war breaks out their were defending Israel maybe they might have started it? and we gave them some billions of dollars last year, and they ask for it in euro pssh, am sure all those countries in the middle east would love all that money

[leteunet dan]

i dont think we should stop helping israel i mean its our fault that they are in that postion, Also they are a key ally in fighting the war on terror i mean they are ruthless in the assasanations of people and we should continue to support them

[Fiendz]

i dont think we should stop helping israel i mean its our fault that they are in that postion, Also they are a key ally in fighting the war on terror i mean they are ruthless in the assasanations of people and we should continue to support them[/b]

Yea, but were not supporting them any more were spoiling them. They don't need to be getting billions of dollars from us when we have our own problems

[bleach]

i dont think we should stop helping israel i mean its our fault that they are in that postion, Also they are a key ally in fighting the war on terror i mean they are ruthless in the assasanations of people and we should continue to support them[/b]

they are not a key ally in the supposed war on terror, which is actually creating more terror then it is taking away
You think we should pay billions of our tax dollars to them, to their military, to their weapons? you know what they do with that money? they further the conflict there that has already gone to shit
example: back in 2006 they used our tax dollars, to fund bombing against Lebanon killing hundreds (i believe it was 800 dead/missing in the first month) and what did America do? they supported Israel. they say they were defending themselves,
i for one however don't call killing hundreds of civilians defending oneself
This support of Israel is doing nothing but furthering terror

[leteunet dan]

i dont think the numbers were anywhere close to that high and hezbollah attacked israel first so they Were defending themselves and casualties happen in war even to civilians and if the lebanese government actually did something about the terroism in there country none of this would have happened

[bleach]

i found it from a reliable source the numbers and i qoute "during the first month of fighting, more then 800 Lebanese Civilians were dead or missing under rubble and a million-- one-fourth of the population were displaced. Twenty-seven Israeli civilians were killed..." Jimmy Carter. Palestine Peace Not Apartheid. 2006.

those numbers do tell you something about the uncalled for aggression Israel had in that war.
2 israeli soldiers were captured while Israel has 8,500 Palestinian prisoners which started the war
but the thing is the Lebanese government didn't bomb Israel it was Hezbollah , they shouldn't have bombed innocents in Beirut ,i have seen the damage caused firsthand last time i was there its all

i know that bad things happen to Civilians in war , everyone knows that, but wars should not be directly targeted at civilians as the bombings then were, everyone should know that
I am not saying Hezbollah could justify the attacks either

im sorry i dont want to pay tax dollars to kill people , that is what its doing if your on either side ... and no one should support that

but should stick to the topic that was just an example of why America shouldnt support Israel i put out there sorry about distracting from the main point of the thread.

[FriendlyGuy]

i found it from a reliable source the numbers and i qoute "during the first month of fighting, more then 800 Lebanese Civilians were dead or missing under rubble and a million-- one-fourth of the population were displaced. Twenty-seven Israeli civilians were killed..." Jimmy Carter. Palestine Peace Not Apartheid. 2006.[/b]

You conveniently left out the preceding paragraph and following sentence. I highlight the stuff you quoted: http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5746/scr82489b26ir7.png.



im sorry i dont want to pay tax dollars to kill people , that is what its doing if your on either side ... and no one should support that

but should stick to the topic that was just an example of why America shouldnt support Israel i put out there sorry about distracting from the main point of the thread.[/b]
I believe in using tax dollars to kill certain people or certain groups of people. If that person is aggressively threatening your interests, drop the bombs.

Don't worry about the topic of the thread, the point is a discussion

[leteunet dan]

y athats what i was saying i mean if the israelies kill lebanese civilians because they were going after hamas and the lebanese government is doing nothing about the terroist in there country

[bleach]

You conveniently left out the preceding paragraph and following sentence. I highlight the stuff you quoted: http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5746/scr82489b26ir7.png.
I believe in using tax dollars to kill certain people or certain groups of people. If that person is aggressively threatening your interests, drop the bombs.

Don't worry about the topic of the thread, the point is a discussion[/b]

i wasn't leaving it out out of convenience, i was leaving it out because i was just pointing out how many civilians were
killed , point blank , nothing else.

i was looking at the human side of the issue. the fact that i didn't quote the whole two paragraphs is not a reason to overlook the amount of civilians dead and displaced.


and as for the second comment , the problem people don't see is that, the people are aggressively threatening Israels interests not our interests. if your talking about al qaeda or someone who has threatened American lifestyle then sure your right. if Hamas and Hezbollah had threatened America then we would pay tax dollars for it. but no they threatened Israel. America should use the money to fix the problems in America( or a place that needs it more) not further a war.
Also theres the fact that America should have immediately called for a cease fire.

you can take this even to the Iraq war,- Iraq wasn't threatening our lifestyle, Hussein did do horrible thing to the Kurds and other people . but nothing threatening Americans. so we shouldnt have gone to war there, By your logic, (though i agree that we shouldnt have).

Leteunat Dan-For one theres no logic in killing civillians to go after Hamas - what you said pretty much stated that the killing is pointless
its far more complicated then saying -theres a terrorist group, there as good as gone-(if anyone America would be able to do this basing it on military might, and we cant do it in Iraq, hell we had the whole world on our side after 9/11 but didn't use all the help we could to get rid of Al qaeda)- my point theres alot of politics and other factors in Lebanon and any country with a terrorist group in it.
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[bbob]

Israel is just supported by the US, they have been ever since the state has been founded.

As for civillians killed when Hezbollah is targeted, how are you going to fight an enemy who is not uniformed? Should you just stand there while missiles are fired over your border, and busses are blown up in your streets? Ofcourse you should! These are poor arabs, who only have interest in some holy piles of prehistoric rubble and the extinction of your entire race, how can you even frown at them? They only hate you to the point where school children will use rocks in the hopes of injuring a jew, or in the best case killing one. It is an outrage that Israelis try to keep people like that out of their country, because it prevents a few people whose first priority is not the exstinction of the jews, from entering, these few people are even struck by splash damage once in a while. Isn't it horrible?

[geepee]

i completely agree to bbob and FG on this
people should be rated by their own actions, and shouldn't be brought in relationship with others...
i dont think we should stop helping israel i mean its our fault that they are in that postion, Also they are a key ally in fighting the war on terror i mean they are ruthless in the assasanations of people and we should continue to support them[/b]
the "war on terror" is the cause of alot of extra terror... i think that's obvious for alot of people, especilly non-americans, by now.
i don't want to change the subject but i can't stand people defending that holy "war on terror" that's been the cause of so much misery to so much people.

[bleach]

Israel is just supported by the US, they have been ever since the state has been founded.

As for civillians killed when Hezbollah is targeted, how are you going to fight an enemy who is not uniformed? Should you just stand there while missiles are fired over your border, and busses are blown up in your streets? Ofcourse you should! These are poor arabs, who only have interest in some holy piles of prehistoric rubble and the extinction of your entire race, how can you even frown at them? They only hate you to the point where school children will use rocks in the hopes of injuring a jew, or in the best case killing one. It is an outrage that Israelis try to keep people like that out of their country, because it prevents a few people whose first priority is not the exstinction of the jews, from entering, these few people are even struck by splash damage once in a while. Isn't it horrible?[/b]


I have not been saying this, that the Israelis should have just let Hezbollah attack them. Though you can say the same thing about the other side, the Lebanese. Except oh wait , the Lebanese civilians were not in the war it was the terrorist group Hezzbollah . both sides suffered loses in the war and it was fought for a stupid reason.

However to partially answer the question how to fight an enemy who is not uninformed you can say from many wars that killing civilians will not help fight them, as Israel could not Subdue hezzbolah even through all the lives they took.

But America could have stopped all the killings, by calling for a cease fire but they instead supplied weapons and publicly encouraged the fighting. America shouldnt have anything to do with the War.

The people of Palestine, want their homeland back, they want to have the basic needs of living met. which they dont , most are living without electricity or running water.

[Rodex]

There are a lot of things in Islam I disagree with, genital mutilation is perhaps the most perplexing and disgusting human religious tradition I know of. Being an atheist, I really do not care for the differences between Islam and Christianity. But as FriendlyRacist said, using religion to go above a country's laws is unacceptable.

Did anyone see some of the comments people posted on the youtube page, just shows how incredibly ignorant people.

[UUilliam]

Allot of large long comments so i cba reading but i have an idea of what this is about,...

i agree 9not watrched vid but from comments) with the guy as well..
over here where i stay we have thad to change the label of everything to fit the taste of "everyone"(muslims)
we can no longer say black board... yet whiteboard is allowed...
we are not allowed to call it easter holidays we now call it spring break....
christmas was to be changed to Winter festival

YET if we walk into a shop whilst wearing a baseball cap we are suspicious...
they walk in with a vail on and its okay...
i mean look at when we asked them not to cover their faces... they started a huge argument then they change everything of ours....
also look at the UK teacher who got sent to prison for letting the KIDS call a teddy bear mohammed as it used the profit Mohammeds name...
just idiotic...
im not facist opr racist
but the ones who try to chan ge our ways when they arent even legal in our country (some are and try to change us) but people who aren't native and try to change our government to fit their beleif...
tbh people who arent native shouldn't have a say in the matter.
u8nless it is for the greater good and to help the community and not for their own particular race...
if we had to go to islam we would be thrown in jail or killed for looking at someone funny...

also the 2 people who tried to blow up glasgow airport...
(THE 2 DOCTORS)
Got free / getting free Skin graphting because their attack failed and they burnt them selves..
so their FREE skin graph which they receive for trying to kill us in the thousands gets payed by the taxpayers of the uk

im also against john smeatons publicity of being a hero because he said to them "dont mess with us glesga folk cause we'll fuck you up"
thats not a hero.. thats just an everyday glasweigan...
so yeah F U smeaton

[bleach]

but the ones who try to chan ge our ways when they arent even legal in our country (some are and try to change us) but people who aren't native and try to change our government to fit their beleif...[/b]

what country? U.S.?
most of your argument is saying you have a right to change Muslims but they cant change you, if people live somewhere native or not they have the right to live and have the same rights as the natives

also watched the video since i had time

He has it all wrong , he thinks that Europeans are being cowardly for not forcing Islam to be like Europeans and for not respecting them less. I agree people who move to a new place should live by the same laws and living standard as the people who have lived there but that doesn't include religion or culture, thats a personal choice that doesn't and shouldn't effect others unless you impose it on others.


Also Pat Condell should learn about the religion of Islam before talking about it like that much of what he said is wrong. He was getting all his biases against Muslims from the small radical minority.

I also watched the response to the video which stated that by Pat Condells thought about that they should conform to others culture then what gives us the right to go into Arab countries and try to change them? gives a little perspective.

[bbob]

First off, I strongly oppose both the iraq war, and the afghani war. I am ashamed that my politicians are trying to act like world police. That beeing said, I understand that israel defends themselves, agressively maybe, but who am I to judge, it is not my fight.

As for changing muslims in my country, I have a couple of questions for you improvise.

Should religion be regarded above law?

Am I forcing them to live the way I want to if I say that they have to live under my country's legislature, or get the fuck out? (Are they forced to stay if they don't like it here?)

[bleach]

i think religion should be seperate from government its personal belief , If a ones religion belief conflicts with a law ? well then thats the persons choice on what to do, i wont give an opinion on that cause its not my choice to make

I was talking about culture not laws, pat condell said some stuff about women covering their face and how they shouldn't if they live like that in wherever he is from( sorry if im mistaken been a few weeks since i watched it ), my rhetorical question is what does stuff like that ( culture, religion) have to do with the legislature, people should have freedom of religion- poeple shouldnt have to conform to another culture just because they live there
im not saying there are not exceptions in some cases

also im not saying kick anyone out if they don't live by each countries law, they should follow the laws of where they are im not saying force anyone out or to stay in a different country. laws should still apply

I also dont agree with the iraq war and war in Afghanistan
i was saying if we lived by Pat Condells world , where other people had to conform to our culture what would justify us going into iraq and trying to change them?
America is acting like the world police we shouldn't do that in other countries, and we shouldn't police people from other countries when they're in America

sorry if its hard to understand i suck at wording things like this p as you can probably tell ;)

[bbob]

You are beeing very very vague, and i think you misunderstood me.

Lets use the danish muhammed drawings as an example.

Dude drew muhammed, they be hatin'.

So some imams threadened him on his life, saying that it was all muslims finest duty to kill him. (if a christian/atheist/buddhist/agnost said that, he would have been jailed or at least fined heavily. As we have freedom of speech to the extent where you tell people to kill people.)


This is not about changing them, this is something about letting everyone live here under a set of rules. If someone refuses that because they have a special book with some rules in them, I do not understand why they took the trouble to travel here, apart from the welfare money. The state of Iran would be much more suited with some of the worst idiots we have here, and down there people would even like them.